| Author | Message | ||
     Graham Ford Registered User Username: Grahamford Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hey Everyone, I'm new to the board and I figured this was the best place to ask my question. I work for a Ford Dealership that is going out of businesss. The owner has a 100% original 1909 Model T. I need to find somone who is able to appraise it. Does anyone have any recommendations. We are located in Columbus, Oh. Thanks! | ||
| Royce Peterson Advanced Contributer Username: Royce Post Number: 121 Registered: 3-2008 |
Graham, I would like to help you. 859-866-7684. I am in Cincinnati and can be there in an hour. Royce | ||
| George P. Clipner Junior Contributer Username: George_n_la_los_angeles Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2008 |
Royce, if you go, please get some pics for us. Love to see it. Regards, George n L.A. | ||
| Royce Peterson Advanced Contributer Username: Royce Post Number: 125 Registered: 3-2008 |
George, Will do. Also Jerry Van I got your message and will do. Royce | ||
| Donald W. Shanabrook Registered User Username: Mddws Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2008 |
As the owner of an early 09 Ford s/n 916 I have spent the last 25 years researching and restoring the car, and I would be glad to share this information and appraisal with you. Thanks, Don Shanabrook 419 447 5254 mddws@yahoo.com | ||
| Graham Ford Registered User Username: Grahamford Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2008 |
Thanks for all the response. Here are some photos. I will be getting in touch with a number of you. Here is a link to photos I just posted. http://picasaweb.google.com/grahamford707/1909Ford ModelTForSale# Thanks, Brandon Seibert Graham Ford, Inc. | ||
| Keith McGowan Registered User Username: Oldcars Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2008 |
The car body style is that of a 1912 Torpedo. Just from a quick look at the photos, going from memory, I see the following things wrong for a 1912: The horn is a 1913-14 style. I believe 1912 was still a double twist horn. The front springs are square cut, not taper leaf. The spring perches are the later style. The wishbone goes below the front axle, not above it into the spring perches. The headlights do not appear to be Ford. The rest appeared, at a quick look, to be pretty much correct for a 1912. | ||
| Keith McGowan Registered User Username: Oldcars Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2008 |
After a closer look, using the magnifier, I noticed the following: The front fenders have 3 rivets, which is 1915, I believe. There is an accessory shock mounted on the front axle. There are 2 accessory shocks on the rear. The wheel spokes appear to be round, not oval. Also, and it is somewhat hard to judge from photos, the upholstery appears to be vinyl, not leather. I could be VERY wrong on that. However, I can say the seat upholstery is not original. The car has been restored in the past with some other year parts used, in my opinion, which is worth what you paid for it. | ||
| Jem Bowkett Valued Contributer Username: Jem_great_britain Post Number: 28 Registered: 3-2008 |
I'm not a big fan of those alloy step-plates so I've never looked at them closely - is that winged script style common? | ||
| Royce Peterson Advanced Contributer Username: Royce Post Number: 126 Registered: 3-2008 |
The horn is typical of mid to late 1912, in which case the horn bulb was mounted to the steering column on Town Cars and Torpedos due to the functional driver side door. The engine's serial number and casting date would tell us more about when the car was built. But certainly it is no earlier than mid 1912. | ||
| Jerry VanOoteghem Intermediate Contributer Username: Jerry_van Post Number: 62 Registered: 3-2008 |
The fenders are 1909 style I believe. I think the square felloed wheels are later than 1912. The rear end looks correct for 1912 but the open spool on the driveshaft is later. I believe it's a 1912 Torpedo Runabout with a lot of "wrong" parts on it. I'm not knocking it, just stating my take on what is shown. Very pretty though! | ||
| Graham Ford Registered User Username: Grahamford Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2008 |
I have added some additional photos. The seats appear to be vinyl. The engine serial number is 9637 (hard to tell from photos). There was a poster in storage that pictured an advertisement for a 1911 Torpedo. I don't know if it is related to this car, but seems too coincidental not to be. The rayovac battery is authentic to the period. I believe it was installed 7-8 years ago when the car was last running. | ||
| Royce Peterson Advanced Contributer Username: Royce Post Number: 127 Registered: 3-2008 |
Brandon, The engine appears to be a 1909 - 11 based on visual apearance. The car is a 1912, and the advertisement shows a 1912. Just like today, the new models appeared in mid previous year. So a December 1911 advertisement would show a 1912 car. | ||
| Dagunny Intermediate Contributer Username: Dagunny Post Number: 82 Registered: 4-2006 |
One thing that jumps out at me. Two cars have the number 2 on the, Hess's that is now in Scotland and this one. Is the 2 a common casting? I'm not starting a debate, just noticing some similarities in the two cars.   | ||
| Royce Peterson Advanced Contributer Username: Royce Post Number: 128 Registered: 3-2008 |
The big number "2" is the casting mold identifier, NOT the serial number. Dodge brothers (who supplied the early engines to Ford) undoubtedly had several molds. This one just happens to have been cast in mold #2. The (formerly) Donald Hess car would have been made in a different mold since it is a water pump equipped block. Apparently there were at least two of those molds, so some cars would likely have a big number 1 on the side of the block in the same position}. The Hess car has the SERIAL NUMBER 2 stamped in between the #2 and #3 exhaust ports. I would say that the big casting ID number 2 is just a coincidence. | ||
| Roger Karlsson Valued Contributer Username: Roger_k Post Number: 26 Registered: 6-2008 |
Engine #9637 was made aug 23 (or 24) 1909. 09 engines are rarer than '12, so if genuine & with right hogshead & pan, someone may buy the car just for the engine.. (well, a '12 engine for replacement ain't found in every garage...) | ||
| Graham Ford Registered User Username: Grahamford Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2008 |
Thanks everyone for all the helpful information. The decision was made today to include the Model-T in our asset auction that will take place on Saturday, December 13th. We will be posting additional details about the auction on http://www.GrahamFord.com next week. |
